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if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher need a high powered hand gun? >> well, he didn't need any hand gun to kill, to murder his wife and leave the poor baby as an orphan. o.j. simpson showed that football players like lots of other domestic abusers, can kill people with their bare hands. >> right, but why does anybody in america need either a hand gun or high powered assault weapon? i don't understand. explain to me. >> i don't think the police have released what kind of hand gun he owned. do you know what kind he owned? why are you calling it a high powered hand gun? >> well, i'm assuming most hand guns are high powered, right? >> so you ca
if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher...
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we don't know much about belcher's mental statement or if there was brain injury involved. should the nfl discourage players from owning firearms? >> this is such a sad day and sad story. and i applaud costas. i don't think enough voices can be raised against this gun ownership. but the problem you have is number one, they shouldn't have played the game. that shows you that the priorities are off from day one. they should not have played that game. once again, the money wins out. obviously, i think you have to discourage people from carrying guns. and particularly in the national football league, with everything that's going on about the clear connection now between mental health and brain damage and erratic behavior exacerbated and probably one of the most violent games on earth, romeo crennel that belcher was a leader and one of the first guys in drills. we didn't see this coming. and that's the problem. number one, they are not trained to see it coming. the gun lobby is just so overwhelming. i think that if athletes, for example, who if they are looking for a civil right
we don't know much about belcher's mental statement or if there was brain injury involved. should the nfl discourage players from owning firearms? >> this is such a sad day and sad story. and i applaud costas. i don't think enough voices can be raised against this gun ownership. but the problem you have is number one, they shouldn't have played the game. that shows you that the priorities are off from day one. they should not have played that game. once again, the money wins out....
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belcher's agent says he like everyone else is stunned that belcher turned violent. >> the how and the why is the craziness of this. there's nothing in my relationship with him that would indicate any troubling past, anything that troubled him that would have caused him to commit such a heinous act as this and we just -- we'll never know, unfortunately. and i think that's the great debate of this. >> chiefs won the game against carolina and later in the locker room head coach spoke to the team. >> it's something really good today. really good. you overcame a lot. you stuck together as a team like we talked about. helped each other. all right? family and friends. you relied on those people. all right? you relied on your faith to help get you through this and we got through it. and in a grand way because everybody made a contribution. everybody helped. okay in that's what a team is about. that's what a team is about. >> police say belcher used a gun to kill his partner and himself and halftime segment on sunday night football bob costas made a case for gun control. sports reporter joe ca
belcher's agent says he like everyone else is stunned that belcher turned violent. >> the how and the why is the craziness of this. there's nothing in my relationship with him that would indicate any troubling past, anything that troubled him that would have caused him to commit such a heinous act as this and we just -- we'll never know, unfortunately. and i think that's the great debate of this. >> chiefs won the game against carolina and later in the locker room head coach spoke...
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belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk toed his mother, kissed his baby girl and left. he drove five miles to the chiefs' practice field after several minutes of pleading with him, they couldn't talk belcher off the ledge. belcher thanked the coaches, knelt down beside a car, made a sign of a cross and put a shot to his fare hoed ending his life -- fairhead ending his life. serve trying to make this about their issue. nbc and bob costas used the tragedy to promote gun control. remember this? >> in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and the possible connection to football will be analyzed. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkin
belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk...
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belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all across america. and all races. in particular, in african-american families and growing in hispanic and white families as well. do you think it has anything do with how people end up committing crimes like this? and not able to deal with the success he earned? >> andrea: i think there is a family element to certain things. maybe the way he was raised or how he wasn't raised. maybe he wasn't taught right from wrong. i have a hard time buying this. this is a total argument. a but-for argument. but for the family he would haven't don
belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all...
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there were knives and he got away with it. >> belcher was a rich football player. if you ban handguns with anybody, if he wants to kill somebody with a gun he will get one. >> that's a good point. bill, what is costas' solution for this? if this football player didn't have a gun they would be alive. what is he suggesting? what kind of ban would you do to prevent -- is it no wealthy aggressive football players can have guns? he is calling for a total gun ban. >> no aggressive football players. only the kickers. those are the only ones allowed to have them. >> that's true. they drink a lot i think. >> i like costas, but this was neither the time nor the place. they have to understand something, political statements are not for them. they are for the fans. the fans are the only ones eloquent enough to say stuff. the fan with the sign that says "kill all refs" and the fan with the cape and nothing but a cape holding up the" january 3:-- "john 3:16" and they can make comments because they paid a lot of money to be there. >> someone compared the nra to the kkk. >> come o
there were knives and he got away with it. >> belcher was a rich football player. if you ban handguns with anybody, if he wants to kill somebody with a gun he will get one. >> that's a good point. bill, what is costas' solution for this? if this football player didn't have a gun they would be alive. what is he suggesting? what kind of ban would you do to prevent -- is it no wealthy aggressive football players can have guns? he is calling for a total gun ban. >> no aggressive...
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belcher who lose control. and you cannot disarm the entire american population to combat madness. it would be madness to even try that the past 10 years increase in the number of handguns in america. there may be 100 million of them in circulation right now. but there has been a decrease in handgun crime. 10 years ago about 7,000 handgun murders. last year the number was 6,000 it is quite understandable that people are reacting emotionally to this terrible crime in kansas city. but the problem america has is not law abiding citizens possessing weapons. that's not damaging the nation. crimes committed with handguns and out-of-control people that's what's hurting the u.s.a. you will never stop crimes of madness, you are never going to stop them like the kansas city situation. you can put violent criminals away for a long time if they use a gun during the commission of a crime. and that should be done. that's the memo. now for the top story tonight reaction. joining us from washington mary catherine ham and juan williams from washington. where am i going wrong, juan. >> you said peop
belcher who lose control. and you cannot disarm the entire american population to combat madness. it would be madness to even try that the past 10 years increase in the number of handguns in america. there may be 100 million of them in circulation right now. but there has been a decrease in handgun crime. 10 years ago about 7,000 handgun murders. last year the number was 6,000 it is quite understandable that people are reacting emotionally to this terrible crime in kansas city. but the problem...
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jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points with other people in media. same with whitlock, who is a chucklehead. this guy in the knickss when he was talking about jeremy lin played off a stereotypical deficiency i'm not even going to get in to. who refers to the nra as kkk. he is a bigot. apologize for that. >> bob: what is a ghoul? >> greg: somebody uses tragedy to build himself up. he is a hypocrite. because he doesn't worry about being armed. people are armed for him. we live in a building right now, we work atuilding right now, where everybody has a gun outside. we're lucky. the rest of the public doesn't. >> bob: er
jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points...
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their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day. the football business was hoping that tv football commentators would ignore the biggest thing that happened in football this weekend. but bob costas could not. >> in the aftermath of the nearly unfathomable events in kansas city, the mindless sports cliches was heard yet again. something like this really puts it all in perspective. well, if so, that sort of perspective has a very short shelf life since we will inevitably hear about the perspective that we regained the next time ugly reality intrudes upon our games. please, those who need tragedies t
their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day....
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in the coming days, belcher's action and the connection to football will be analyzed. who knows, but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe. if belcher didn't process a gun, he and perkins would be alive today. >> bret: news busters said costas entitled to his opinion but does he have to give it during halftime of a nationally televised game? critics who say political bias turns up in college classrooms have a big number to back up the case. the web site campus reform looked to federal election records from open secrets.org and found 96% of donations from ivy league faculty and staff went to president obama. congress approval rating has been dreadful but scores low marks on ethics and honesty also. new gallop poll finds members of congress come in second to last among professions beating only car salespeople. car salesman took to twitter today to express displeasure with the poll. 10% said they would give congress a high to very high rating. 34% said average. 54% said very low to low. finally when researching the internet be careful when citing wikipedia. judge in
in the coming days, belcher's action and the connection to football will be analyzed. who knows, but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe. if belcher didn't process a gun, he and perkins would be alive today. >> bret: news busters said costas entitled to his opinion but does he have to give it during halftime of a nationally televised game? critics who say political bias turns up in college classrooms have a big number to back up the case. the web site campus reform looked to...
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martha: belcher is not the first nfl player to recently take his life. junior say oh and dave diewr on both died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. we'll talk to jim coming up in the next hour. >> 6 minutes past the hour. former president george herbert walker bush waking up in a houston hospital. said to be in stable condition being treated for a bronchitis-related cough. he's 91 years old. he has been visited by several of his children including former president george w. bush. hopefully he will be going home very soon. martha: there are around the clock demonstrations in egypt as president morsi and the muslim brotherhood push through a hard-line islamist constitution. morsi supporters blocked them from entering the courthouse in order to give a ruling on this constitution. steve harrigan joins us from there. where do we stand now with this constitutional court having no ability to rule at this point? >> reporter: the most unusual situation in cairo where you have egypt's top court whose judges now say basically they are afraid to do their job. they we
martha: belcher is not the first nfl player to recently take his life. junior say oh and dave diewr on both died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. we'll talk to jim coming up in the next hour. >> 6 minutes past the hour. former president george herbert walker bush waking up in a houston hospital. said to be in stable condition being treated for a bronchitis-related cough. he's 91 years old. he has been visited by several of his children including former president george w. bush. hopefully...
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painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity.
painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity.
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the murder suicide of jovan belcher has started the fire storm. >> in the coming days, belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob costas spewing sang t sancts drek. >> where are we headed? bob costas deserves to be fired for these remarks. >> he's allowed to have his opinion. yes, he's allowed to go there. >> we want to ban guns because the gun kills the person, not the person pulling the trigger. >> you want to get a political lecture by the rantings on the left, i suggest that bob costas could have worked for msnbc. >> jason whitlock's right. if there's no gun here, nobody's dead. i don't know what the issue is to take issue with. >> i don't get the sense he was calling for specific legislation or saying here's what we should do. >> how come
the murder suicide of jovan belcher has started the fire storm. >> in the coming days, belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob...
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lockdown after the suicide of jovan belcher. belcher drove to the practice facility and thanked chiefs coach and general manager before tyking his own life. >> they talked for a bit and that's what he shot himself. >> reporter: the suicide followed a domestic incident five miles from the stadium approximately belcher shot his girlfriend kassandra perkins multiple times, killing her. >> they've been arguing before the shooting occurred. >> reporter: belcher's mother called 911. she had recently moved into the house, possibly to help with her grandchild. belcher got his start here in west babylon new york. he led the team to their first undefeated season. going on to play college ball before landing in the pros. belcher spent all four years with the chiefs. playing in every game this year. but the team is 1-10 this season. stuck in an 8-game losing streak. kansas city's mayor wouldn't speculate on a motive, but acknowledged the pressures of the job. >> we're talking about kids that are 25, 26, 24 years old playing in circumstances
lockdown after the suicide of jovan belcher. belcher drove to the practice facility and thanked chiefs coach and general manager before tyking his own life. >> they talked for a bit and that's what he shot himself. >> reporter: the suicide followed a domestic incident five miles from the stadium approximately belcher shot his girlfriend kassandra perkins multiple times, killing her. >> they've been arguing before the shooting occurred. >> reporter: belcher's mother...
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police have identified belcher's girlfriend as kasandra perkins. george howell has the details. >> the kansas city chiefs are morning a fellow teammate. 25 year-old linebacker be belcher.. >> when the officers arrived they had a witnessed a black man that had held a gun up to its head. they heard gunshots and it appeared that he took his own life. >> just a few moments before the suicide he shot his girlfriend at her home. she died a short while later at an area hospital. >> recently we heard that they had been arguing. >> the team had released a statement belcher and his girlfriend kasandra perkins were living in their kansas city home with their three-month-old baby girl and belcher's mother. taken care of by family members. police are looking for a possible motive in the shootings. in response to this tragic event the oakland raiders released the following statement this morning... the oakland raiders are empathizing with the chiefs organization. our hearts are wounded by such an unimaginable tragedy in our nfl family. we will continue to pray f
police have identified belcher's girlfriend as kasandra perkins. george howell has the details. >> the kansas city chiefs are morning a fellow teammate. 25 year-old linebacker be belcher.. >> when the officers arrived they had a witnessed a black man that had held a gun up to its head. they heard gunshots and it appeared that he took his own life. >> just a few moments before the suicide he shot his girlfriend at her home. she died a short while later at an area hospital....
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painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity. ryan from cleveland, tennessee. i am eight years old and watch the factor almost every night. you know what, ryan? i appreciate that very much. so i'm sending you a nice christmas present. hope you enjoy it. finally tonight, the factor tip of the day, as you may know, we raise money for the wounded warrior project and for the fisher house which provides support to the families of military people hurt in action. we're pleased to announce that the sotheby's auction house here in new york city will put a wounded warrior's poster signed by all five living american presidents up for bid on december 14th. there are only three of these posters we know in the world, and nothin
painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity. ryan from cleveland, tennessee. i am eight years old and watch the factor almost every...
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our prayers and condolences go out to the family of jovan belcher. they are also grieving. >> reporter: earlier that morning belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, kasandra perkins. the couple leaves behind a 3-month-old baby. >> i know that she really was excited and loved that baby. and she's just a beautiful person inside and out. >> reporter: fans tailgated, but the shootings hung heavily over the stadium. >> it's not the celebratory atmosphere that it usually is. >> first instincts i had was what are they going to do? are they going to play the game or postpone it? >> reporter: before kickoff, a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence and their families. belcher's name was not mentioned, but it didn't have to be. >> obviously, there was some deeper issues that none of us knew about, and it's just sad that it had to happen the way he did and he couldn't get help. >> reporter: in belcher's hometown of west babylon, new york, a vigil for the former high school star whose life and another were cut short by his own hands. >> our prayers a
our prayers and condolences go out to the family of jovan belcher. they are also grieving. >> reporter: earlier that morning belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, kasandra perkins. the couple leaves behind a 3-month-old baby. >> i know that she really was excited and loved that baby. and she's just a beautiful person inside and out. >> reporter: fans tailgated, but the shootings hung heavily over the stadium. >> it's not the celebratory atmosphere that it usually is....
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we begin with very sad news from the nfl kansas city chiefs linebacker jevan belcher fatally murdered his girlfriend this morning then drove to arrowhead stadium and committed suicide in front of his coach and general manager. nbc news reporter brian moore has the details. >> reporter: after fatally shooting his girlfriend, kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher chose to end his own life at the stadium where his football dreams came true. >> as officers pulled up and began to park, that's when they heard the gunshot. >> reporter: police say belcher shot himself at the team's training facility after expressing his gratitude to his coach and general manager. >> the coaches said when he pulled up, he was -- they were never in danger. he never threatened them or anything. >> reporter: minutes earlier and five miles away, police say belcher gunned down his girlfriend, the mother of his 3-month-old baby. >> there are a lot of people who are hurting. there's a young baby without a parent or parents. >> reporter: now chiefs fans are asking a question that may never be answered. how could
we begin with very sad news from the nfl kansas city chiefs linebacker jevan belcher fatally murdered his girlfriend this morning then drove to arrowhead stadium and committed suicide in front of his coach and general manager. nbc news reporter brian moore has the details. >> reporter: after fatally shooting his girlfriend, kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher chose to end his own life at the stadium where his football dreams came true. >> as officers pulled up and began to...
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javon belcher is clearly a person who had a tremendous amount of pain in his life. he shot his girlfriend eight times. that is an extraordinary amount of anger spilling out of him. this is not what the founders envisioned, and this is not the best policy that we can have for our society. >> that anger is what we should be talking about. we're talking about the weapons. we're not talking about domestic violence, and that does a huge disservice to the woman who is in that situation who his done o service by bob costas telling millions of nfl viewers that they have permission to blame guns instead of the person who pulled the trigger. so we're not going to talk about the reason for domestic violence. we're not going to talk about maybe whether or not this guy had psychiatric problems. we're going to talk about the gun. for whitlock or costas to give an inanimate object human capabilities, saying that handguns exacerbate our flaws and bait us into embracing confrontation is absolutely absurd, and i think that rather than talk about the guns, what we should be talking ab
javon belcher is clearly a person who had a tremendous amount of pain in his life. he shot his girlfriend eight times. that is an extraordinary amount of anger spilling out of him. this is not what the founders envisioned, and this is not the best policy that we can have for our society. >> that anger is what we should be talking about. we're talking about the weapons. we're not talking about domestic violence, and that does a huge disservice to the woman who is in that situation who his...
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that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad morsi blocked the high court from indefinitely suspending all court sessions. that would suspend a ruling on the drawing up of egypt's new constitution. president morsi declared his decisions are now immune from judicial oversight. >>> it is a frightening and deadly scene in japan. just look at this. at least two cars are still trapped inside a highway tunnel after a massive section of the concrete structure collapsed. police say they have already found several burned bodies inside the rubble about 50 miles west of tokyo. it is not clear what caused the tunnel to cave in or how many cars were inside
that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad...
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no one is saying that belcher is not responsible. in fact, earlier in the day, inthat i was appalled by the way some of this had been covered initially by some of the sports networks where they made it seal like there were two victims. that kasandra perkins was victim one and javon butler was victim two. no. the person who committed suicide first committed a murder and he is responsible for that. however, the ready easy availability of guns, could he have strangled her or stabbed her? of course he could have. but the easy availability of guns makes this sort of thing far more likely to occur. if somebody points out that the country has a problem with nutrition and obesity, that doesn't mean they want to ban fast food. but they are you aware of some of the dangers and hoping to moderate people's behavior. if nothing else, even if some people disagree with me or misinterpret what i said. if it started a conversation on this, then i think that's a good thing. >> it is my honor that you joined us tonight with your first television interv
no one is saying that belcher is not responsible. in fact, earlier in the day, inthat i was appalled by the way some of this had been covered initially by some of the sports networks where they made it seal like there were two victims. that kasandra perkins was victim one and javon butler was victim two. no. the person who committed suicide first committed a murder and he is responsible for that. however, the ready easy availability of guns, could he have strangled her or stabbed her? of course...
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javon belcher's actions will be analyzed. but here is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun. he and sandra perkins would be alive today. >> gretchen: i don't know it is interesting. you can't say that. when people want to kill other people . there is a lot of ways to do it i don't know. would the rage come out in a different way? would he have strangled her? i don't know if anybody knows quite frankly and it is dangerous to kind of make personal predictions when you don't have the facts . no one will know whether or not he would have killed her with or without a gun. >> brian: people with guns can get them. >> steve: he had them legally. >> brian: illegally? >> steve: legally. >> brian: i just don't know it is appropriate enough less than 24 hours after the guy took his girlfriend and mother of his baby to make that stance. i don't think we needed to hear that last night. >> steve: i think you are right. 10 after the top of the hour. >> gretchen: a dope smuggler rams his boat in a another boat. the coast guard
javon belcher's actions will be analyzed. but here is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun. he and sandra perkins would be alive today. >> gretchen: i don't know it is interesting. you can't say that. when people want to kill other people . there is a lot of ways to do it i don't know. would the rage come out in a different way? would he have strangled her? i don't know if anybody knows quite frankly and it is dangerous to kind of make personal predictions when you don't...
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and belcher's uniform hung untouched in his locker. members of the chiefs organization struggled for answers. >> it's tough. i miss him, you know. he's a great guy. a great teammate. >> he was an individual that did something that he snapped, and that, i don't understand. i probably never will. >> no history of concussions from belcher either. his teammates and 62,000 fans observed a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence. we're going to have highlights from the game in just a moment. >>> and new research is coming to light strengthening the link between long-term brain damage and playing football. espn and pbs' front line are working on a documentary. and they report that scientists have discovered 28 new cases of chronic brain disease in football players who have died, 15 of them former nfl players. one researcher says the sheer volume of cases will overwhelm anybody who wants to deny there's a problem. >>> a family is accusing sea world of shrugging off a dolphin attack on their 8-year-old daughter. jillian thomas was fe
and belcher's uniform hung untouched in his locker. members of the chiefs organization struggled for answers. >> it's tough. i miss him, you know. he's a great guy. a great teammate. >> he was an individual that did something that he snapped, and that, i don't understand. i probably never will. >> no history of concussions from belcher either. his teammates and 62,000 fans observed a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence. we're going to have highlights from the...
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let me go back to javn belcher. >> police say belcher turned a gun on perkins in the home that they share with their 3-month-old daughter. the child was spared. the player then went to the stadium, thanked his coaches for believing in him and then shot himself as they watched in horror. >> cenk: were guns a factor in this shooting? of course, of course! of course they were. he shot her nine times. he shot himself as well. but not in the ultimate reality that the conservatives live in. they're reacting not at him but at bob costas. here is ted nugent. we thought bob costas was smarter than that. only fools blame tools instead of human failings. shame, bob. this guy talking about shame. remember ted nugent was the rocker who crapped in his pants to get out of vietnam. that embarrassment, that pitiful excuse and you talk about shame. you walked around in your own waste for a week, you coward. shame. then we weapon "g" to matt yoder whoyo--then we go to matt yoder so that's the place where people might pay attention to it. so don't ever talk about it, a when people are paying attention, and b
let me go back to javn belcher. >> police say belcher turned a gun on perkins in the home that they share with their 3-month-old daughter. the child was spared. the player then went to the stadium, thanked his coaches for believing in him and then shot himself as they watched in horror. >> cenk: were guns a factor in this shooting? of course, of course! of course they were. he shot her nine times. he shot himself as well. but not in the ultimate reality that the conservatives live...
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belcher is responsible but the pundit class. the pundit class, dr. archer started immediately to make excuses. it's the nfl, it was the guns, rather than saying this is an individual who was disturbed and, you know, that's what the crux of the matter is. >> the crux of the matter is that the number one predict everywhere of violence, the number one predictor of suicide is alcohol and drug abuse. if we want to get to a reason why this happened that has to be at the top of the list. clearly this is a guy who was taken painkillers. nfl players are four times more likely than the general population to take narcotic painkillers and he was drinking on those painkillers. if you want a reason that's your -- >> wait, doctor ablow, so you say that the analysis should have been he did it and he is responsible. you don't disagree with that? >> don't disagree at all. one of the drivers of his action was the drinking and the drug taking? >> correct. >> bill: all right. that seems to be logical dr. ablow to make that kind of analysis. always with the headline he di
belcher is responsible but the pundit class. the pundit class, dr. archer started immediately to make excuses. it's the nfl, it was the guns, rather than saying this is an individual who was disturbed and, you know, that's what the crux of the matter is. >> the crux of the matter is that the number one predict everywhere of violence, the number one predictor of suicide is alcohol and drug abuse. if we want to get to a reason why this happened that has to be at the top of the list. clearly...
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the team announced it will start a foundation for belcher's 3-month-old daughter left behind. as for what happened on the field? the chiefs played the best game of the season, beating the carolina panthers, earning their second win of the year. david? >> coming together. john, thanks to you. >>> the developing story this evening. much of the northwest is getting battered this sunday by three fierce storms in a row with another on the way tonight. heavy rain flooding the streets of sacramento, crashing trees on to cars in san francisco and blowing a rig over on a bridge. cecilia vega reports live tonight. >> reporter: good evening. this is a storm that slammed the west coast from washington down to the san francisco bay. just take a look at this. the beautiful napa valley tonight has vineyards under water. it was a one, two, three punch. three storms in less than one week plowing down on the west coast, the latest today dropping up to an inch of rain an hour in some spots. in reno, nevada, wind gusts reported to hit 95 miles an hour. nearly 100,000 people without power. homes f
the team announced it will start a foundation for belcher's 3-month-old daughter left behind. as for what happened on the field? the chiefs played the best game of the season, beating the carolina panthers, earning their second win of the year. david? >> coming together. john, thanks to you. >>> the developing story this evening. much of the northwest is getting battered this sunday by three fierce storms in a row with another on the way tonight. heavy rain flooding the streets...
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cbs news spoke with belcher's mother. she had no comment but said quote i have grieving to do. manuel bojorquez cbs news, kansas city, missouri. >> this morning the weather is clearing in the pacific northwest. that's good news after three successive storms drenched the region. the third hit yesterday knocking out power to tens of thousands in northern california but the weather system was fast-moving. and the damage less than expected. >> reporter: high winds uprooted trees in citrus heights, california. and blew over a truck in san francisco. wind and rain pound the northern part of the state for the third time in less than a week. across the region some streets looked more like rivers. and thousands woke up without electricity after power lines snapped. in tahoe the rain turned to snow sunday morning. the national weather service said that kept the truckee river from flooding into homes. >> you live on a river, bad things can happen. i was being alert. >> reporter: but 2 1/2 hours south along the napa river people are still keeping a close eye on water levels. >> you never k
cbs news spoke with belcher's mother. she had no comment but said quote i have grieving to do. manuel bojorquez cbs news, kansas city, missouri. >> this morning the weather is clearing in the pacific northwest. that's good news after three successive storms drenched the region. the third hit yesterday knocking out power to tens of thousands in northern california but the weather system was fast-moving. and the damage less than expected. >> reporter: high winds uprooted trees in...
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one of belcher's friends tells a sports blog called dead spin after game last month belcher was dazed and couldn't remember what had happened the day before or at least before the game. steve brown is on fox top story. is he live in our midwest bureau tonight. what sort of signs of trouble before this shooting? anything? >> about the allegations that belcher had had head trauma or concussions, both the team and the league said there is no concussion history that they have on this man. and that he was never held out of a game because of a concussion. about the relationship between belcher and perkins, fox 4 our affiliate in kansas city spoke with friends and said saturday morning there was an argument and over her late return from a concert. and then the shots were fired. it really didn't make any sense to belcher's family. his aunt lives in the kansas city area. she read this statement for cameras today: we will cherish the wonderful memories we of have of javon and pray that those memories bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable end of his life and the life of ca
one of belcher's friends tells a sports blog called dead spin after game last month belcher was dazed and couldn't remember what had happened the day before or at least before the game. steve brown is on fox top story. is he live in our midwest bureau tonight. what sort of signs of trouble before this shooting? anything? >> about the allegations that belcher had had head trauma or concussions, both the team and the league said there is no concussion history that they have on this man. and...
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baby girl and belcher's mother. the child is now being taken care of by family members. police are looking for a possible motive in this case. the raiders released this statement in response... the oakland raiders are empathizing with the chiefs organization. our hearts are wounded by such an unimaginable tragedy in our nfl family. we will continue to pray for everyone involved. >> i am going to give away these high and headphones www.kron4.com nor cancellation is the latest technology high end .. there is also a cable with a microphone, and controlling music. noise cancellation technology.... . >> we are back at 8:25 >> welcome. you can see the heavy yellow is indicating heavier rainfall. still in the north where it was kidding hit hard. moving south and it was-and getting hit hard. coast should be gone by early or late afternoon. >> it has been a steady and the latest band is bringing heavy wind causing several accidents. we will keep you up to date. >> sports. the golden state warriors continued their solid start
baby girl and belcher's mother. the child is now being taken care of by family members. police are looking for a possible motive in this case. the raiders released this statement in response... the oakland raiders are empathizing with the chiefs organization. our hearts are wounded by such an unimaginable tragedy in our nfl family. we will continue to pray for everyone involved. >> i am going to give away these high and headphones www.kron4.com nor cancellation is the latest technology...
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. >> the kansas city chiefs released a statement following belcher's death. it reads in part, the entire chiefs family is deeply saddened by today's events and our collective hearts are heavy with sympathy. thoughts and prayers for the family and friends affected by this unthinkable tragedy. we'll continue to fully cooperate with with the authorities and work to ensure that the appropriate counseling resources are available. >>> the supreme court could decide this week whether to take up the controversial issue of same-sex marriage. the nine justices met behind closed doors on friday but took no action. the high court could act tomorrow when it's scheduled to release orders or the justices may choose to discuss the divisive issue when they meet for another scheduled conference on friday. >>> and then there were two. this weekend alabama rolled over the georgia bulldogs 32-28 to earn a spot against undefeated notre dame for the coveted bcs title. the crimson tide are looking to win back-to-back titles and their third title in four years, which would be an unpr
. >> the kansas city chiefs released a statement following belcher's death. it reads in part, the entire chiefs family is deeply saddened by today's events and our collective hearts are heavy with sympathy. thoughts and prayers for the family and friends affected by this unthinkable tragedy. we'll continue to fully cooperate with with the authorities and work to ensure that the appropriate counseling resources are available. >>> the supreme court could decide this week whether to...
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police say kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher shot the 22-year-old woman before he headed to the stadium he was expected to play in tomorrow afternoon. it was there he turned the gun on himself. thanh truong joins us from arrowhead stadium in kansas city. good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you. arrowhead stadium is a symbol of pride for this city and the kansas city chiefs but there is a lot of sorrow here right now after a deadly day ended not far from where i'm standing. shortly before 8:00 this morning, gunfire erupted at this kansas city suburban home. >> when we arrived, a lady came out and said her daughter had been shot by her boyfriend several times inside the residence. we went in the residence. she was taken to the local hospital where she died a short time later. >> reporter: just ten minutes later at arrowhead stadium a man with a gun. >> we got a call at the arrowhead stadium to the practice facility in regard to a person who was in the parking lot armed with a handgun. when the officers pulled up they actually observed a black male who had a gun to his h
police say kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher shot the 22-year-old woman before he headed to the stadium he was expected to play in tomorrow afternoon. it was there he turned the gun on himself. thanh truong joins us from arrowhead stadium in kansas city. good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you. arrowhead stadium is a symbol of pride for this city and the kansas city chiefs but there is a lot of sorrow here right now after a deadly day ended not far from where i'm...
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line blacker joyan belcher shot his girlfriend and then drove away and shot himself. it, what are you hearing? what are investigators learning? >> well, they have offered few inclu clues as too what led up to the horrific morning here in kansas city, but police did say that they had had no previous reports of disturbance calls at the home where jovan's girlfriend was shot yesterday morning, but there were some arguments in the morning leading up to it. a lot of preliminary work being done today, but the game where the kansas city chiefs were playing went on as scheduled. in fact just moments ago, in the stadium behind me, arrowhead state of mind in kansas city, they actually won the football game, 27-24. actually the team's radio broadcast of the game, you can hear the announcers voices talking about just how emissional this day has been, instead of coming just a short time before this game was played, the decision was made to carry on with the game, obviously in a -- what they knew of this situation, what might have led up to whorrific moment. >> you know, clearly wi
line blacker joyan belcher shot his girlfriend and then drove away and shot himself. it, what are you hearing? what are investigators learning? >> well, they have offered few inclu clues as too what led up to the horrific morning here in kansas city, but police did say that they had had no previous reports of disturbance calls at the home where jovan's girlfriend was shot yesterday morning, but there were some arguments in the morning leading up to it. a lot of preliminary work being done...
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police say belcher's own mother was in the house, saw the murder and called 911. he then jumped in his car and drove to arrowhead stadium to the team's practice facility. with a gun held to his head in the parking lot, authorities say, he began talking to coaches. >> when he pulled up -- he was was -- they were never in danger. he never threatened them. they talked for a little bit. >> reporter: suddenly he walked away, taking his own life as the chiefs head coach and the general manager witnessed in horror. the kansas city chiefs released a statement saying, quote, the entire chiefs family is deeply saddened by today's events and our collective hearts are heavy with sympathy, thoughts and prayers for the family and friends affected by this unthinkable tragedy. >> jovan belcher had an opportunity! >> reporter: at just 25 years old, belcher seemed like he had the world in his powerful hands. as a starting linebacker he reportedly earned millions in the nfl, living the good life. driving a bentley. seen here, being towed away after the crime. >> he always seemed lik
police say belcher's own mother was in the house, saw the murder and called 911. he then jumped in his car and drove to arrowhead stadium to the team's practice facility. with a gun held to his head in the parking lot, authorities say, he began talking to coaches. >> when he pulled up -- he was was -- they were never in danger. he never threatened them. they talked for a little bit. >> reporter: suddenly he walked away, taking his own life as the chiefs head coach and the general...
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belcher shot and killed perkins saturday before killing himself in front of his head coach and general manager. >>> high winds are a major concern as crews tried to contain a wildfire in the rocky mountain national park. so far the fire has scorched more than 3500 acres in colorado. it's been burning for almost two months now. but strong winds doubled its size over the past few days. it's 20% contained. it was started by an illegal campfire. >>> caught on tape, a girl being bitten while feeding a dolphin 12 days ago at seaworld in orlando. and the girl's father caught the incident on camera. take a look! oh!! that looks like it hurt. the bottlenose bit the girl after she moved the paper plate that held the fish she was feeding him with. >> i think it was going to haul me into the water. it was crazy but i thought it was going to eat my hand off. [ laughter ] >> poor thing. her hand is mostly hailed from the puncture wounds. her parents complain that seaworld did not explain why it's important to keep the plate on the wall. do not take it off. health service employees responded quickly.
belcher shot and killed perkins saturday before killing himself in front of his head coach and general manager. >>> high winds are a major concern as crews tried to contain a wildfire in the rocky mountain national park. so far the fire has scorched more than 3500 acres in colorado. it's been burning for almost two months now. but strong winds doubled its size over the past few days. it's 20% contained. it was started by an illegal campfire. >>> caught on tape, a girl being...
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javon belcher kills kasandra perkins. by 8:10 he has a gun to his head in front of his head coach and time president. by 10:00 a.m. the nfl has already informed the carolina panthers that they need to be in kansas city the next day to play a game, and by 3:00 p.m. the nfl is putting out press releases saying, wait a minute the game is going o-but the it's the decision of the chiefs' captain and coach who just saw a player blow his brains out in front of him. maybe the captains voted to do it. i don't know for sure if that is, in fact, true. why should that be the decision of the chiefs players? imagine a similar circumstance if a pilot saw something similar with their spouse and then said, well, i'm ready to fly a plane a few hours later? no, someone would step in and say you need a time-out. i'm interviewed a lot of nfl players, and what they say is that the playing field is the most dangerous bh you're distracted. the idea the game went on when players wrestle with the fact a teammate say murderer and also a suicide sta
javon belcher kills kasandra perkins. by 8:10 he has a gun to his head in front of his head coach and time president. by 10:00 a.m. the nfl has already informed the carolina panthers that they need to be in kansas city the next day to play a game, and by 3:00 p.m. the nfl is putting out press releases saying, wait a minute the game is going o-but the it's the decision of the chiefs' captain and coach who just saw a player blow his brains out in front of him. maybe the captains voted to do it. i...
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chiefs linebacker jovan belcher. as we said, he killed his girlfriend and himself in that murder-suicide. now, just a few months ago we saw the suicide of football player junior seau, another linebacker. do you think this could be related to the game? >> it's a lot of stress that comes along with the nfl. it's hard to pinpoint if it was strictly just the football. obviously, he must have had some sort of issues back at home resulting in the situation with his girlfriend. he might have had a 3-month-old daughter as well, so the fact that he took his life into his own hands in this kind of fashion showed that he might have had some issues outside of football. it could have been stress from the game, but it might have been more of a personal issue than football itself. >> sanjay gupta has done a whole lot of work on the affect of concussions that are common in football. i'm just curious. do you think -- have you ever heard anything about him having a concussion and might that have played a role? >> not that i've been to
chiefs linebacker jovan belcher. as we said, he killed his girlfriend and himself in that murder-suicide. now, just a few months ago we saw the suicide of football player junior seau, another linebacker. do you think this could be related to the game? >> it's a lot of stress that comes along with the nfl. it's hard to pinpoint if it was strictly just the football. obviously, he must have had some sort of issues back at home resulting in the situation with his girlfriend. he might have had...